UAD, Please go native.

[hugol]

All it takes is someone to release a native version where I can run more than I'd ever want and overall it's cheaper because no card. So why would I go UAD?

Oh the super computer guy he he... I'll bring your box down in a SECOND! Let me get on that box and we'll soon see that GUI come to a screeching halt.
If the computers were so damn fast why would there even be a PT's HD 3 Eccel system or any or the powered solutions... because your box will lock up! You guys and your i7's ... they aren't a super computer and UA does us all good by keeping the crack heads @ bay!

Slow down and read responses properly please!! Is this really that complicated? You even quoted part of what I said me and it's pretty clear. Some of you guys seem to interpret every forum post the way you want to and are just arguing with yourselves.

I specifically mentioned native plug-ins where I can run as many as I need without noticing the CPU hit. If the native plug-ins don't meet that criteria for you then clearly UAD have the advantage. Then again UAD cards don't always allow you to run many instances either - but at least you know up-front.

[NEWRIGEL]

Users will always need more power... so dsp cards came into existance. Plus like the post earlier stated, no developer in his right mind is going to go with a format destned for crack heads... UA plugs won't go native, if anything they will go the hybrid path where you'll still need a card.

[trepbale]

wise asses get hit? and Losers go to jail...

You misunderstand the positioning. Loser? Me? People respond in a condescending tone because they're tired of the side of an argument (the uad native one), and I'm the loser because I'd take it upon myself to teach him not to do it? No sir. I rep the old school, where people were brought up with respect. I'm only 20 some odd years young, but I'm not old enough to not have gotten slapped up when I wised off to my mom, or to any of the older kids. I learned young that you need to take responsibility for your actions and that includes ya mouth. Nowadays you got these kids in the supermarket tellin they're parents off and getting away with it.

If you want to have the guts to come at people sideways and be disrespectful, well then be prepared to pay the price. If you have to run to the cops or someone else because you cannot control your mouth, well then that's your problem...no offense dude, and not coming at you directly, just explaining, far from a loser over here...

[faun2500]

DON@T GO NATIVE

please, don't. I will leave you. hahah DOnt do an SSL on us (weve got you all to buy the dongle, now we are gonna use your cpu too) - Thanks! lol

[bossa]

UAD just a dongle ?

even if it's true, this card is the only dongle that protect your investment from piracy,

take a look at the so acclamed lexicon reverb, they cracked it the day they released it, ilok/syncrosoft or what else, same for cubase 5, sonnox, flux, sonalksis, RND... any, even a bit, famous company product become a challenge for all the crackers teams all around the world.

the only way to protect your investment is using dsp card and software unable to run on a native CPU, thats also why famous companies work with UA on fabulous product.

i prefer spending 1300 € on a quad that protect our investment than spending it on a high end but cracked reverb,

call me idiot if you want but my EMT 140 & 250 have far more value than any lexicon reverb, not only because kids can't play with them but also because i pay for something nobody can have for free.

the day they becomes native and cracked not sure i spend any bucks on it

The 'VALUE" of the software is in its use and not whether some kid or poor person got a freebie from somewhere. I bought the Lexicon bundle and it got cracked a week later.. I was pissed but I'm over it now and just use it without worrying about the cracked version being out there. I only hope that Lexicon keep supporting the plug-ins in the future.
I have spent almost AU$5,000 on native plug-ins since October last year (looking for native replacements for my DSP cards) and AU$3800 worth have now been cracked.... there's nothing I can do about that but just get on with making music with a clear conscience knowing I have contributed to the income of those who created the plugs.

[bossa]

UAD-2 Solo $400
UAD-2 Duo $900
UAD-2 Quad $1500
i7 920: $240

Which has more processing power?

Which can run UAD plugins?

That
Well, you can't run UAD plug's without a computer.... so ALL of them so long as there's a UAD card in there is the answer.

[ConradMurray]

I think the warez argument is flawed. The cost of entry for UAD is so high, these people that crack software are never going to buy in anyway. If UAD goes native, their sales will increase dramatically. Sure there will be a community of crackers pirating the software, but those cracked plugs don't represent lost revenue because those people aren't going to pay for such pricey software anyway. Native or not, pirates aren't going to pay for UAD. Therefore, it doesn't represent a downside for UAD. The flood of sales they would see from going native would make it entirely worth it.

I think your post is bang on point! People that use cracks are NOT going to buy the programmes and are NOT potential buyers, thus there is not much loss in revenue. These users are not a potential revenue stream because they would not buy!!! Jeeez. Maybe by using cracks, one day, when they have money, they will go on to buy the real thing!! I have used cracks, and without them I WOULD OF NEVER been able to of use any music software, thus pricing me out of the world of computor music and music production. If it wasnt for cracks, I would of been stuck on my Fostex, my Tascam, and my Roland. Great as they were,I wouldn't of been able to evolve. When I got a publishing and recording deal I used the money to buy the real stuff! I know of other artists who are professional, semi famous and did the same thing!! They released their first singles off of modplug tracker and cracked cubase and VSTS!! But now have a fulled kitted studio with thier advance's and royalties complete with all the real versions. In some ways cracked software helps this industry

[Blackout]

...I bought the Lexicon bundle and it got cracked a week later.. I was pissed but I'm over it now and just use it without worrying about the cracked version being out there.

Ouch man. I feel your pain. I bet you were PISSED. i bet you pounded the desk and yelled "faarrrkkkkkkkkkk...."

Part of why i like UAD plugins so much is that it keeps the leechers from ever having them. Its like a closed society of ppl "in the know" who smile and wink at each other when they talk about having UAD plugins, anyone of your friends who have UAD plugins as well will be like this with you i am sure...thats what i experience in conversations. We acknowledge they are Special. A part of what makes something special is that it is rare, and hard to own. Not lying around on every second audio site for free.

There are many ppl who i know that want to try and make it thru life with the prize that they have never brought a single piece of software in their life. Its like a goal for many. So they will always be too cheap to pay for any UAD plugin. And never know the advantage/edge that UAD plugins have in quality. I rejoice in their loss.

The point about ppl using cracks never buying the legit plugins anyway is not the point. Once they are *cracked*.. (money aside) ...they no longer become Special, Unique, Rare.

If you make UAD plugins native...then within weeks every leecher will have them free...cracked...and i will never buy another new one. Game over. (ill still continue to use the ones i have and my Quad card tho as its awsome !)

Blackout

[bossa]

...I bought the Lexicon bundle and it got cracked a week later.. I was pissed but I'm over it now and just use it without worrying about the cracked version being out there.

Ouch man. I feel your pain. I bet you were PISSED. i bet you pounded the desk and yelled "faarrrkkkkkkkkkk...."

Part of why i like UAD plugins so much is that it keeps the leechers from ever having them. Its like a closed society of ppl "in the know" who smile and wink at each other when they talk about having UAD plugins, anyone of your friends who have UAD plugins as well will be like this with you i am sure...thats what i experience in conversations. We acknowledge they are Special, like a rare diamond that is expensive and hard to get.

There are many ppl who i know that want to try and make it thru life with the prize that they have never brought a single piece of software in their life. Its like a goal for many. So they will always be too cheap to pay for any UAD plugin. And never know the advantage/edge that UAD plugins have in quality. I rejoice in their loss.

The point about ppl using cracks never buying the legit plugins anyway is not the point. Once they are *cracked*.. (money aside) ...they no longer become Special, Unique, Rare.

Make UAD plugins native...within weeks every leecher will have them free...cracked...and i will never buy another new one. Game over. (ill still continue to use the ones i have and my Quad card tho as its awsome !)

Blackout

A hammer and chisel aren't special and yet Michelangelo made his David with them. It's not the tools so much as the tool in charge that's important.

And sorry, I don't wink at other guys.. even if they use UAD plug-ins. ;P

Hmm.. I think I just winked.

[billybk1]

The point about ppl using cracks never buying the legit plugins anyway is not the point. Once they are *cracked*.. (money aside) ...they no longer become Special, Unique, Rare.

If you make UAD plugins native...then within weeks every leecher will have them free...cracked...and i will never buy another new one. Game over. (ill still continue to use the ones i have and my Quad card tho as its awsome !)

Yeah, I agree 100% with you Blackout! After that UA survey last year started some rumours about UA going possibly native I talked to UA about that and told them how I felt about it. I told them that the day they went native would be the last day I would ever buy another UAD plugin. I would just use the crack like everyone else. I would have a hard time paying for what most everyone else would be downloading for free and I would be especially perturbed about my UAD-2 card investments. They assured me they had NO intention of ever going native or they would never have spent a million dollars and years of time & effort bringing the UAD-2 to fruition. Plus it serves as a quite a capable CP device as well. I think as far as UA is concerned, even one crack is one too many. I know when someone speaks of using UAD plugins they actually paid for them and have made a serious investment in their music. So now I just smile when someone suggests UA go native.

Oh BTW, speaking of cracks, there is virtually no native software that has been released in the last year that I have not "demo'd" (and I use that term loosely) and I have never owned an ilok or dongle device. Unfortunately, it is just too easy and tempting not to download the latest wizbang plugins with a few clicks of a mouse to see what all the fuss is about. Just human nature I guess. In spite of that I still prefer using virtually all UAD plugins in my projects. They just make better plugins and I like keeping my FX off my native CPU, whenever possible.

Cheers,

Billy Buck

[NEWRIGEL]

I think the warez argument is flawed. The cost of entry for UAD is so high, these people that crack software are never going to buy in anyway. If UAD goes native, their sales will increase dramatically. Sure there will be a community of crackers pirating the software, but those cracked plugs don't represent lost revenue because those people aren't going to pay for such pricey software anyway. Native or not, pirates aren't going to pay for UAD. Therefore, it doesn't represent a downside for UAD. The flood of sales they would see from going native would make it entirely worth it.

I think your post is bang on point! People that use cracks are NOT going to buy the programmes and are NOT potential buyers, thus there is not much loss in revenue. These users are not a potential revenue stream because they would not buy!!! Jeeez. Maybe by using cracks, one day, when they have money, they will go on to buy the real thing!! I have used cracks, and without them I WOULD OF NEVER been able to of use any music software, thus pricing me out of the world of computor music and music production. If it wasnt for cracks, I would of been stuck on my Fostex, my Tascam, and my Roland. Great as they were,I wouldn't of been able to evolve. When I got a publishing and recording deal I used the money to buy the real stuff! I know of other artists who are professional, semi famous and did the same thing!! They released their first singles off of modplug tracker and cracked cubase and VSTS!! But now have a fulled kitted studio with thier advance's and royalties complete with all the real versions. In some ways cracked software helps this industry

Cracked plugs loose money period!!! I wonder if your music is on a torrent site yet. If it was you'd be loosing money... no? Please UA DON'T GO NATIVE!!!! And you say you have used cracks... well then, NO WONDER you find it ok! I'm against using anything that could cause instability and that's one place where it could. My music is worth the $$ to just buy them and have the experience that the developer intended.

[Blackout]

glad you agree billy

my guess is that this topic is borderline on-the-brink-of-being-deleted, i thought discussion of cracks was prohibited on this board (or maybe im wrong)?

[bigtrex76]

Looks like a complaint here...